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LotR & Harry Potter: both escapist white middle-class works with inherent comforting racism

CULTURE
What is a national cinema?

Frank Capri sifts through the sack of shite that was Lord of the Rings' recent whitewash at the Oscars to find several reasons for its canonization. Such as: white. Middle-class. Escapism. Illustrations by pW

In his celebrated Hitchcock interviews of the 1960s, Francois Truffaut remarked that "British cinema" was a contradiction in terms. Today such an assertion would be not so much inaccurate as nonsensical. What does "French cinema" have over "British cinema" anyway? What right does the one have to be "good" - let alone exist - that the other doesn't? Should we then exempt Godard's British Sounds, or Tout Va Bien starring Jane Fonda, or Truffaut's own Fahrenheit 451, filmed in English starring Julie Christie, from the list of authentically "French" cinema? Sixties nationalism is surely a contradiction in terms.

There is only one cinema, the cinema of vertical integration, or the "cinema" that facilitates the production, distribution and consumption of films. Calling it "French", "American" or "Icelandic" concedes far too much to the misguided ideal of national culture. What is "national culture"? Is it, perhaps, something akin to "national socialism"? And what locates it squarely in its would-be country of origin?

Someone clearly in love with the ideal, at least of national culture, is Peter Jackson, the New Zealand director of The Lord of the Rings (LotR) saga. Far too much public space has been wasted on this "film" already, so let's leave aside its artistic merits or misdemeanours. How are we to make sense of its tumultuous financial profits and its Santa's sleigh full of gleaming awards?

Jackson's Action
The sight of Jackson receiving his Best Film Oscar at this year's Academy Awards was both utterly hilarious and depressing. The pomposity of this annual awards show, surpassed only by The Grannys in its vulgar xenophobia, always provides cathartic release. But this year we shat bricks at the self-congratulatory fervour reserved for one of those epic statements that Demands Recognition by The Academy, a film that launches cottage industries and puts through tax breaks faster than a third world government. Sweeping the board at The Oscars only happens for one reason and one reason only. It's intended to do for film what Nike does for trainers. In response to the periodic slump in market share, there comes a point when the industry compels itself to endorse not just another product, but a bona fide cultural phenomenon, a product that "redefines" the industry for the poor neglected masses. Sports manufacturers invent their "air soles" (gotta watch how you say it); the film industry comes up with digital technology. This is the first great irony of LotR. Here we have a film whose "exterior" locations, despite what Peter Jackson says about the uniqueness of the New Zealand landscape, are largely irrelevant to the mise en scene, or to any of the diegesis (but what is the film "itself" in this instance?). Basically, since digital technology is indispensable to the postmodern epic, it could have been filmed anywhere! Give us a big field and the digital animators will do the rest.

So what was Peter Jackson actually "directing"? What all directors of the postmodern epic direct. Like the CEO of a multi-national corporation, directors don't work, which is to say their position at the "sharp" end of a multi-million dollar enterprise is largely cosmetic. Jackson's role was to "sell" New Zealand to the world, and thus to provide the imaginary setting for a "revival" of this incestuous little tale.

If the New Zealand landscape was largely irrelevant as a location for this film, then there are two material respects in which it was indispensable. First, a film dealing with the struggles of a medieval and hence pre-industrial society, ie, one unpolluted by the inconvenience of class struggle and whose sacred quest was to bring together all the races of "Middle Earth", is clearly informed by the geopolitics of Disneyland. New Zealand is probably the one place on earth where we could almost be forgiven for believing that the coming together of elves, goblins, hobbits, dwarves and the world of "men" is a prophetic metaphor for global peace. This last remaining shire (gotta watch how you say it) innocently holding out against the ravages of modernity, technology and the niggers at the gates, provides the perfect fantasy escape. Alas the adaptation of this fairy tale, penned by a Cambridge historian in his spare time (lazy fucker!), didn't include a Jamaican yardie or a Mexican toilet cleaner who takes ballet lessons in her spare time and has an affair with a hobbit (they could have cast J-Lo!). One simply cannot underestimate the popularity of this film among cinema audiences hungry for a Euro-centric, and hence exclusively white, reinterpretation of Anglo-Saxon myth. New Zealand, steeped in the national tourist's board utopian spin ('don't dream it's over'), is a powerful magnet for such mysticism.


Second, and without relegating its importance, there's the matter of tax breaks. This is where filmmakers are allowed to claim back significant portions of their production costs on the pretext that their "investments" provide a boost to the domestic economy. For LotR the figure being touted was circa $200 million - approximately one third of the $600 million production spend - although the exact figure, claims New Zealand's Economic Development Minister Jim Anderton, is "unknown". Do what? How can it be "unknown"? One assumes that such policies are implemented in the financial interests of the country, so if they can't be calculated what point is there in implementing them? Could the explanation for this apparent ignorance possibly be that the true tax burden for this film has fallen disproportionately on the working class people of New Zealand? Or is it presumed to be in the nature of "hobbits" not to concern themselves with such technicalities?

In terms of its public reception, was it any coincidence that its unprecedented success at the Oscars was reserved for the culmination of its final "work", the final "installment" in the franchise? Intriguingly for an epic, and quite arguably explained by the lack of any characterization whatsoever, almost the entire focus of publicity for LotR was placed on the scale of the production itself: 20,000 cast and crew, a lifetime in pre-production, a post-production budget equivalent to the national debt of Haiti, etc, etc. What remaining critical interest did manage to penetrate this corporate balance sheet tended to be "dazzled" by special effects. Very little serious commentary focused on the puerile plot and vacant characters, who marched relentlessly through hours on hours of digitally enhanced scenes, each one more "dazzling" than the last, while intoning vapid clichés like "You cannot escape your destiny" and "It is time" (time for WHAT exactly!). Come back Han Solo (stick the cunt in a wheelchair and fit him with a catheter if you have to) all is forgiven!

Finally, the biggest conceit of all, and the most convenient answer to the question "why now?" has got to be the nature of this adaptation. We cannot possibly overestimate the hold that "classic literature" has on middle-class America, and particularly on dumb American movie producers. Sitting there monged out in front of the box, watching cunt after cunt go up to collect their awards (for fucking "make up"?!), it suddenly dawned on me that the Americans haven't read the book, that they seriously think Tolkein is Shakespeare or Dickens or George Eliot or something. But anyone who's gone through the British education system in the last thirty years knows Tolkein for what it is: puerile magical realism for primary school kids with limited imaginations. It doesn't fit into the canon - apart from the one it should be shot out of! Ironically, what we are witnessing with the literary adaptation is the branding of modern literature, in much the same way as Disney branded the European folk tale.

At the time of writing, an adaptation of The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe is in pre-production. Where? New Zealand. A further word of warning: CS Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia run to seven volumes.


In filming: Jackson & Livingstone's Fighting Fantasy VI: Deathflaps Dungeon - on location in the Falklands

Comments:

it suddenly dawned on me that the Americans haven't read the book, that they seriously think Tolkein is Shakespeare or Dickens or George Eliot or something.

At least they've got an excuse then, because this:

But anyone who's gone through the British education system in the last thirty years knows Tolkein for what it is: puerile magical realism for primary school kids with limited imaginations.

Is blatantly untrue. Most people who've gone through the British educational system think LotR is the greatest work of fiction ever produced and brilliantly written to boot. This says something very depressing about the British educational system.

Anyhow, I don't know why you're moaning about the film; it's a million times better than that bloody awful book.

[ johneffay 11/05/2004 08:41:45]

Looks like the films were all a Cambridge plot to undermine the 'serious' aspect of his reputation...

[ peteW 11/05/2004 15:17:10]

I'm not gonna lie - I thought the films were incredible and the massive technical craft that went into it, and the fact they had to manage such a huge task somehow (involving huge databases and mobile intranets and so on, no doubt) all tend to improve my enjoyment rather than detract. And I thought the fighting and constant flummoxing of the usual supernatural-fight expectations was something that Peter Jackson was able to do like nobody else after the endless creativity with violence in Brain Dead etc.. And I wanted to see it made into a film - the books were an integral and fondly-remembered part of my childhood. I also don't really give two shits about 'tax breaks'. Sorry.

But check this perverse merchandise website: Middle Earth Furniture... It's enough to change a feller's mind.

[ Mike 11/05/2004 19:29:40 :: web]

Thank you. You have clearly proven to me that there are no long-lasting spiritual qualities in Lord Of The Rings no matter what the medium, and that all the praising critics, and the hundreds of millions of people worldwide who saw the films in increasing numbers as they progressed are complete dupes and ignoramuses. Also, what of the millions of millions who wasted their time reading the books--for shame.

Your staggering and original hypothesis of racism in LOTR should clearly make my friends of African, Asian and Latino origin "wake up" and shed their pernicious love of these books and films. They clearly misunderstood the whole thing.

It must be nice to be so thoroughly 'enlightened,' 'modern,' so refreshingly 'cynical,' and 'informed,' so 'above-it-all.'

[ DH 11/05/2004 19:50:16]

You have clearly proven to me that there are no long-lasting spiritual qualities in Lord Of The Rings

Anybody who thinks that LotR is full of long lasting spiritual qualities should try reading the far superior material that it pastiches. If you want a seriously spiritual book, try The Bible (this is not a joke, and I'm not a Christian).

LotR, the book, is very badly written by an author obsessed with languages but no ear for poetry. His yearning for a mythical bucolic (or, more accurately, suburban) idyll is truly nauseating.

The films are just eye candy for people who get off on CGI, although I agree with Mike that that is reason enough to praise them.

Also, what of the millions of millions who wasted their time reading the books--for shame

It is never a waste of time reading a book, although if you are over the age of, say, thirteen and think that LotR is a great work of art, you are indeed an ignoramus. Just because lots of people think something is good does not make them right and there's nothing modern about pointing out to others the error of their ways.

[ johneffay 11/05/2004 20:18:37]

Your responses are both based on grossly generalized opinions of the academic elite, particularly (unfortunately) the European strain, which do not in any way reflect reality.

If university literature departments spend entire classes studying Tolkien, and respected religious scholars write numerous books about LotR, it's pretty safe to say that Germaine Greer and her ilk have lost their battle to divide 'high' and 'low' culture, and lost spectacularly.

Tolkien being influenced by both Pagan and Judeo-Christian literature does not diminish his own accomplishments at all in bringing long-lasting and even esoteric spiritual themes to masses of people who might never even explore them.

As far as Rings-haters' bone-in-the-throat contention that all people went to the films for was a CGI lightshow, that argument is so old, tired and weak it doesn't even deserve to be refuted with the mountain of evidence, both critical and anectodal, to the contrary.

The Rings-haters lost all their credibility except among their own cynical echo chamber, and now they are stuck and steaming. I enjoy watching it play out.

[ DH 11/05/2004 22:05:58]

As far as Rings-haters' bone-in-the-throat contention that all people went to the films for was a CGI lightshow, that argument is so old, tired and weak it doesn't even deserve to be refuted with the mountain of evidence, both critical and anectodal, to the contrary

That's not my argument as to why people went to see the film; it's my argument as to why they should be watching the film.

I don't do the high/low culture thing and if you read my post properly you'd see that there was no evidence to support your assumptions about what my arguments against the book are. However, I guess that it is because you don't read anything properly or carefully enough that you fail to grasp my point. Let me reiterate: The book is very badly written. Go back to it, read it carefully (especially the Tom Bombadill section, the poetry, and the abominably mismanaged destruction of the ring) and have another think about it.

Don't be fooled by what all these other paople think about LotR, they probably enjoy Coke as well.

As for Tolkien's influence on the masses, if you think that getting people to spend vast amounts of time playing Dungeons and Dragons, or convincing occultists to try to summon the Lady of Lothlorien are laudable achievements, then I'd have to concede your point.

[ johneffay 11/05/2004 22:49:18]

(Re: CGI) That's not my argument as to why people went to see the film; it's my argument as to why they should be watching the film.

Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other. You sound like you're basically saying that the films are devoid of 'serious' content, like the degenerate books, or perhaps I'm "misunderstading" you, again (which I did in part, admittedly, by way of expanding my argument).

Don't be fooled by what all these other paople think about LotR, they probably enjoy Coke as well.

Yes, I regularly allow other people to convince me that all pop-culture phenomena, no matter how dumb they may actually be, are just peachy. FYI, I felt the same way about "Titanic" that the author of the above article felt about LotR. Oh, and I guess if I like Coke and Coke sells billions in merchandise every year, that must mean Coke is evil too.

As for Tolkien's influence on the masses, if you think that getting people to spend vast amounts of time playing Dungeons and Dragons, or convincing occultists to try to summon the Lady of Lothlorien are laudable achievements, then I'd have to concede your point.

I was waiting patiently for these stereotypes to begin...I guess I didn't have to wait long. It's the "Godwin's Law" of anti-LotR arguments on the internet. If it doesn't begin that way, it will quickly go in that direction.

You'll please excuse me while I and my professional, girlfriend-having, wage-earning, indpendently-living and degreed friends line up like the lemmings we are to buy yet another DVD in the LotR merchandising assault in a few weeks. We're too stupid to do otherwise.




[ DH 11/05/2004 23:25:32]

I'm confused: Are you saying that you have a girlfriend, or that your friends all have girlfriends? If I claim to be spiritually enlightened by LotR, can I get a girlfriend?

Why is it stereotyping to point to the major influence of Tolkien on the incredibly popular pastime of fantasy roleplaying and New Age occultism, but not stereotyping to make sweeping generalizations about 'Rings-haters'?

The books are not degenerate; they're crap because they are so badly written (admit it: you always skip the poems, just like everybody else) and interminably prolix, thereby obscuring the 'long lasting spiritual qualities'.

The films may not be completely devoid of serious content, but they undeniably skip as much of the cod-linguistics and mythology which Tolkien uses to underpin his depiction of these qualities in favour of huge action scenes and spectacular effects. This, I would suggest, is a marked improvement, although I am sure JRR would be very disapproving.


[ johneffay 12/05/2004 00:50:20]

I have to agree with Mike. I loved the films, perhaps because I've known the books since I was a kid and I think Peter Jackson did a fantastic job bringing it to the cinema. When I first heard that they were making it into a film and Peter Jackson was doing it I was so excited. He's wonderful with special effects... but we've known that since Braindead and Bad Taste.

However, John has a point... Tolkien can't write for shit. I've read alot of fantasy books in my time and there are much better authors with wonderfully developed characters and more indepth plots than LotR. Unfortunately because LotR was the first of its genre it is supposedly the 'best' but its really not. Tolkien was a linguistic which is why he spent so much time creating the many languages in LotR. His writing skills never really lived up to the test. The characters in LotR are straightforward with no flaws or depth to make them really interesting. If Aragorn had've had a fetish for dwarves or Gimli a raging alcoholic traitor who worked for Sauron it would've been much more interesting. As it is LotR is a straight story of good vs evil, which doesn't really cut it anymore since good and evil aren't so black and white as Tolkien makes them out to be.

[ glueboot 12/05/2004 01:39:54 :: web]

Here's a finer spider...

[ peteW 12/05/2004 07:57:07]

DH:
What's a "Rings-hater"? Don't be bloody ridiculous.

And if you do happen to enjoy playing geeky RPG games then don't get all whingy when people take the piss. Be a grown-up.

John / Glueboot:
The more you say about the stories, the more I realise that they have been almost damaging to my appreciation of literature ever since. They really are way too straight - good-vs-evil with rather thin (if kinda cool on the surface) characters. This is probably why the Gollum characterisation in the film grated a little - they actually tried to make him have more than one dimension - 'that's not how it was in the book!'. My father read the books to us when we were about 6-7 years old and did voices - fond memories - but I was the only one left listening (out of six children) by the time he got to the third book - there was an association built there that 'clever' had to be 'boring'. I tried to read the books myself at a later stage (about 9 years old) and it was more a test of endurance than an enjoyable experience. I just wanted to know about Frodo and Sam but got chapter after chapter of boring old Faramir and the tedious men. And of course I skipped those bloody 'songs'.

I suppose if it hadn't been such a sexless simplistic tale then I wouldn't have been allowed to read it. I recently read "One Hundred Years of Solitude" and found myself wanting to read it to my children one day (gahh) but then realising that much of the richness comes from overtones that children will just not understand. And there're too many harsh gory bits. And sexual weirdness that needs explaining. But that is the sort of story that I'd like any children of mine to be brought up on.

Does Tolkien not get credit for the mythology though? Wizards and Dwarves and The (Bedford) Shire?

In terms of stories and depth of characters LOTR is not a patch on Buffy...

[ Mike 12/05/2004 10:16:45 :: web]

Mike,
Your analysis of the book is spot-on: It's not a bad book for children (although The Hobbit is better, being less longwinded). However, what it definitely isn't is one of the greatest works of literature ever produced.

In terms of stories and depth of characters LOTR is not a patch on Buffy...

Right again, although it's a sorry state of affairs when I'm forced to agree with you about Buffy ;)

[ johneffay 12/05/2004 10:54:57]

"Mordor" = "France". Discuss...

(NO DON'T!!)

[ Mike 12/05/2004 11:01:15 :: web]

Gandalf, Strider and Bilbo as "cunts," what a refreshing gestalt!

[ Rumple Stilskin 12/05/2004 12:04:38]

Lazily failing to distinguish who was saying what in the debate so far, but you can't criticise Tolkien because of the straightforward 'good vs. evil' elements in his book and then recommend the Bible, or the source mythologies: it's a pretty basic theme in storytelling, even if it's good vs. evil within one character. Also, I reckon the much maligned Bombadil section of the book, along with the Ents' appearance, goes to great pains (to the point of briefly abandoning the plot) to point out that there is considerably more going on in this world than just the war of the ring, and that there are elements in Middle Earth for whom the good/evil dispute is completely irrelevent. Which is why it's such a shame that Bombadil always gets left out of adaptations, notably these films (which, for the record, I watched with bum-numbing patience, only to feel somewhat tired and underwhelmed at the end). As for the importance, technical brilliance and so on of the book, well, that's largely what you make of them yourself: I was mad on Tolkien for a bit and deeply fulfilled, even ploughed through the Silmarillion flabbergasted at the depth of detail and imagination. Couldn't be arsed to glance at them now, though, to be honest: time and a place for everything. Why should he have to be a technically brilliant writer? He didn't ask for all the hype that grew around the book, which was, after all, just the hobby of an affably detached academic with, plenty of spare time on his hands.

But then, what do I know: I quite enjoyed the songs as well.

[ Album 13/05/2004 17:21:25]

Album: how dare you have a personal opinion!

Also, to digress from all this fantasy hole play, middle girth guff (i've never read any Tolkein and don't intend to - the films certainly didn't suggest that I revise my view of the Ring pieces), the cartoons illustrating Frankie Capri's article are marvellous. They reminded me a bit of the set design for the current production of The Pillowman, still (I think) running at the Cottesloe theatre in the brutalist National complex. Martin McDonagh is a fine playwrite and puts childhood through a thorough and emotionally apt churning. Sorry. I realise I am now reviewing something else. Stop.

[ Leo 13/05/2004 18:22:14]

The debate seems to be taking various courses, but I agree with the fundamental tenets in the article, LOTR in any form is hideous white bread tripe, on par with the 19th century Zanzibar slave trade for oppression.

I must however take exception to the statement by Johneffay:

'The films are just eye candy for people who get off on CGI… that is reason enough to praise them.'

While it is easy to pass off CGI as just a cheaper way to shoot some scenes (its original intention), the growth of CGI as its own genre is the disturbing factor not addressed in the article.

While spot CGI is often considerably cheaper than dragging film crews to remote sites for 5 minute scenes, 'CGI films', those with 50%+ digital content, are NOT cheaper than hiring high quality scriptwriters/cinematographers/actors/directors. So why do it?

Allocating funds away from the traditional pillars of high quality cinema towards CGI creates an unusually passive media, requiring little cognitive work on the part of the paying customer to 'get it' . For the average Joe tired after finishing work on a Friday afternoon, the lure of 'push media', that requiring the least action on the part of the participant, is overwhelming. As the cost of production for the 'CGI film genre' is high, they can only be marketed at the rich masses, and that is, unfortunately the ubiquitous white middle class. Exceptions such as the stunning 'City of Lost Children' are rare, and sadly loss making.

In short, it is CGI that is driving sickening white bread escapism on mass, not bad literature (when you compare the absolute numbers).

There is however an interesting side, due to the Nintendo generation's worship of Moore's Law, there is a weird appreciation of CGI on technical grounds. The 'Is that a Linux server in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?' brigade somehow never got into the technology of ordinary films, you don't see them pissing themselves over the Panavision Primo macro 14.5-50mm lens, but excusing piss poor cinema on grounds of being at the avant-garde of technology is the sickest of all.

[ lock 14/05/2004 06:56:05]

Allocating funds away from the traditional pillars of high quality cinema towards CGI creates an unusually passive media, requiring little cognitive work on the part of the paying customer to 'get it' .

Is this actually the fault of CGI, or just a general trend in cinema? As you point out with City of Lost Children, CGI doesn't have to be like this.

I think that the reason the Nintendo generation get excited about CGI I but not 'ordinary' cinema technology, is that the latter is transparent to them; having grown up with the former making rapid advances, they can appreciate the way it has evolved.

I couldn't give a toss if high quality digital animators are putting high quality cinematographers out of work: The advent of sound killed of proper cinematography;) My main gripe with CGI is that it is no longer possible to get really excited about the stunts in movies any more.

Gosh I'm shallow; no wonder I didn't 'get' the book...

[ johneffay 14/05/2004 08:33:38]

I was just trying to look up an old friend who joined (with all his heart and etc) the Jesus Army a few years ago... While browsing the JA's website I found their list of recommended books, which includes the LORD OF THE RINGS books.

[ peteW 20/05/2004 15:33:36]

I imagine that the majority of the audience here is made up of persons that have anxieties about disapearing by blending, or something along those lines. That is the only rationality that I can come up with to explain the majority of the comments posted here. If that is the case, then there is little point in my posting here other than in the hope that one or two of you may think a little longer about the focus of your hostilities.

A glimmer of hope for you in a thought: You don't have to disagree with the masses every time to be an individual.

I laughed out loud when I saw that little example of what someone obviously thinks is their own form of perceptive criticism. "LotR & Harry Potter: both escapist white middle-class works with inherent comforting racism."

After I thought about it I realized that I shouldn't have laughed at that. It's not funny because the person that wrote it seems to actually believe it. Worse, there are other posters here who seem to as well.

Escapism, is a point I agree with in relationship to the movie. However, most movies are exercises in escapism, so there really is no major point scored here for a realist unless he dislikes most movies in general. Even then, what does it gain more than credence to your own ilk that you belong?

As for the rest rest (middle-class, racism)... not even close.

Let's take a look at them shall we?

First, racism:

The movies were very much a product of the British culture. Well, the indigenous people of the U.K. happen to be caucasian. Also, their populatiion has a really high percentage of caucasian people (funny how that works, huh?). So, when I watch a British film and there are either nearly all, or are completely caucasian actors, I am not surprised.

The two movies left out pretty much every ethnicity except caucasian. I'll just bet that when they looked around for people to cast for the parts of both movies they found caucasians in much greater supply. How exactly does that equate to racism?

I have seen movies that were made in the U.S. that were cast in all one ethnicity that wasn't caucasian. Considering that the majority of the population is caucasian, does that make the film makers of those movies racist?

What if those films were made completely in the U.S. by U.S. citizens. What do you suppose? Should the movie be cast demographically? Ok, then how many of the Orcs should be played by Japanese? How many of the riders of Rohan should be African-American and how many should be Filipino? Perhaps Harry Potter and his friends should be cast as Arab. Or maybe every character and extra in LotR should all be a minority of one ethnicity (Keeping in mind that the minorities of the U.S. wouldn't be so in their countries of origin). How about LotR with all of the cast being Mexican-American.

You know what? I really don't care what ethnicity the people are that are cast to play the parts. I watched LotR because it seemed as though it was going to be exciting and I enjoyed the books (a taboo behavior around this forum). I did however watch Harry Potter out of politeness to my girlfriend and her parents who love the movies and watch them frequently. They are Mexican-American, BTW.

Now, middle class:

As for middle class... Do you hear that? It was the other shoe dropping.

So, how many of you are economical bigots? Foremost, I disagree that the target audience for these movies was any more middle class (You didn't even specify which middle class. Perhaps you meant both upper and lower middle class?) than for any other major release movies that have come out since the inception of Hollywood. Secondly, what is wrong with the middle class? Is being wealthy or impoverished so much better than middle class? What gives the richest or poorest economic groups so much more validity that it is faux pas to appeal to the middle class. Lastly, what is your economic class, and does your disdain for the middle class stem from jealousy or was it peer pressure that resolved you to such an ignorant state?

I would like to end by stating that those of you who are pretenders to being educated in literature are not doing a very good job. Perhaps you should practice more. Or, better yet, go to school. I don't believe any of you cited anything worthwhile to support your criticism of the likes of iconic writers such as Tolkien or Lewis (Yes, I caught the comments about Lewis too.). None of you seemed to have read any of Tolkiens own commentary about his writing. Seeing as how, no matter how his own works were/are viewed, he was highly esteemed as a scholar of literature and language, and thus his own criticism and commentary on his writings cannot be ignored when arguing their quality.

To ignore an artists intent is to ignore the art.


[ TheOdysseyMine 13/10/2005 15:58:02]

Okay, I’ll bite.

I’m not going to respond to the stuff about inherent racism or middle class values, because these were not my arguments against the book. Let me reiterate my main point: Taken as a novel, the book is very badly written.

I don't believe any of you cited anything worthwhile to support your criticism of the likes of iconic writers such as Tolkien

Firstly, this is not an academic forum. Secondly what exactly do you mean by 'worthwhile support'; critics you respect perhaps? I did cite examples from the text to support my claim (The poetry in general; the Bombadil section in particular). Is that not enough? It is widely acknowledged in at least some critical circles that Tolkien’s ability to hold the reader’s attention is impaired by his inability to provide either a dynamic narrative or a fully engrossing style of writing for large sections of the book. If you are as schooled in Tolkien criticism as you imply, you already know this so I won’t waste my time digging up references.

None of you seemed to have read any of Tolkiens own commentary about his writing.

Wrong call, I’m afraid. None of it bites against my basic contention. Anyhow, why should my judgement about a particular novel depend upon outside explanations for said novel rather than my own reaction to it?

To ignore an artists intent is to ignore the art.

Absolute rubbish. What if we never know the artist's intent, can we never grasp the artwork? On the other hand, most of Surrealism is based upon a massive misreading of Freud; should we therefore claim it is bad art because they were obviously mistaken in their intent? I could multiply examples or I could just be snide, like yourself, and say that you will find them in any undergraduate text on critical theory.

[ johneffay 14/10/2005 00:57:03 :: web]

These criticisms of Tolkien are old hat anyway. Michael Moorcock and several others have questioned the simplistic manichean moral basis of his work; its twee Anglo-Saxon provincialism; its (latent) racism (perhaps); its scoured puritanism; its reactionary, hereditarian political undercurrents; and much else besides. However, the same can be said of canonical literature, for example Shakepeare's The Tempest. That's classist, racist and so on, because those were prevailing values in Shakespeare's time. Most canonical lit is shit, too: Shakepeare's comedies, for instance, not to mention his histories. Most cultural artifacts are shit in fact, and are largely acclaimed for supporting the extant social order or trotting out comforting myths, for instance that rich girls like to fuck poor boys. I don't see why JRRT should be singled out. And the Lay of Earendil is pretty damned good.

[ JFK 29/01/2007 05:13:05]