Transferred now to a new location for his final session (the call and response show) Zizek undaunted nonetheless picks up from where he left off last time.
‘Before beginning questions,” he says, “I just want to go back over question asked yesterday, “Where is Program?”’

‘Now, what I want to know is – why do people expect a program from someone like me? Because you know, not even Marx ever really offered program, all he did was criticize. And even Lenin – okay, he made detailed plans, but when time actually came, if you study his works closely, you realize that in actuality he did the opposite of what he said he was going to do.’
‘So I think my duty here is to step back, and ask the question, “What exactly is implied by very expectation of program itself?’
‘Richard Rorty, whose work I respect very much, I think he is very much like – and I mean this in good way – Left-Liberal Ayn Rand, a few years ago he made claim in his book Contingency, Solidarity, Irony, that philosophy basically doesn’t matter, that it is always instantly laid to one side when any real issue of importance comes up.’
‘Now – I do not agree with this, but nonetheless it must be admitted: Rorty has point. I give you example of Habermas and Derrida – for years, story was like, “Oh! They hate each other!” – but then actually, you know, whenever any serious political matter came up, they would always lay aside differences be on same side.’
‘This make me think, that their differences were not really big differences in first place – and actually you know, both basically did share the same problematic, this is the problematic of openness to other.’
‘Habermas, Derrida, Levinas – in fact almost all contemporary intellectuals [what a move!] share this same problem. There are a few who don’t, such as Badiou. But majority I think do, and in regards to it basically take up political positions just a little bit left of left of centre. Now, this is exactly where I don’t want to be.’
Dicatorship of the Proleteriat, Again
‘To clarify further concept of dictatorship of proleteriat, imagine a dispute between a hermeneuticist, a deconstructionist, and an analytic philosopher. In this, what will be at stake is not just a contest between different positions, but rather the meaning of the whole field – the meaning of the dispute itself.’
‘This is because, ultimately every position has its own universality – no mater what, when I make claim, by very act of making claim, I impose alongside of claim universal frame. This, basically, is dictatorial level of discourse: already the struggle over the field of struggle itself.’
The Mad Poet of Llubjana
‘There is an idea in philosophy – that the essential problem is basically, how to de-reify language, how to return it to ground of concrete of life-world. But actually I think – and here I am good Badiouian – that in fact it is the opposite problem that is really the interesting one. This is, problem of how, with language, we can break out of concrete life-world.’
'Now, on this day – which is summer solstice, I think I would like to leave with quote from Shakespeare play, Midsummer’s Nights Dream. God, I am such good Englishman.’
More strange than true: I never may believe
These antique fables, nor these fairy toys.
Lovers and madmen have such seething brains,
Such shaping fantasies, that apprehend
More than cool reason ever comprehends.
The lunatic, the lover and the poet
Are of imagination all compact:
One sees more devils than vast hell can hold,
That is, the madman: the lover, all as frantic,
Sees Helen's beauty in a brow of Egypt:
The poet's eye, in fine frenzy rolling,
Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven;
And as imagination bodies forth
The forms of things unknown, the poet's pen
Turns them to shapes and gives to airy nothing
A local habitation and a name.

‘Now, idea here is about gap between ordinary reality and sublime other dimension – you notice this gap in each of figures Shakespeare discusses, but crucial point here is, you notice - is that with each figure, gap reduces each time.’
‘So first of all, you have madman, and in his case gap is experienced as pure mistake, misperception, one for the other. Then you have lover – and here idea is acceptance of reality, but also understanding there is immanent sublime dimension within this reality. And then finally you have poet – and here idea is creative transubstantiation, ability to intervene in sublime dimension, and so actually make something radically new appear in reality: what more can you ask for from a poet?’
Question Time‘So,’ Costas kicks off the interrogation, ‘The obvious question is, madman, lover, poet - which one are you?”
‘Definitely a madman,” Zizek responds, “I depise poets. You know in America they talk about military-industrial complex? Well, in Yugoslavia we have military-poetic complex!’
‘Or perhaps I am mad poet – maybe division is in poetry itself. Between mad poets, and true poets – and by the way, I do not mad poet in Foucauldian, “Oh, isn’t it wonderful, they are all mad,” way – no, I mean mad, I mean they really are crazy.’
Psychoanalysis as global meta-theory of (its own) failure
‘One of the insights Freud had early was that psychoanalysis was always doomed to fail – that it could only really have ever succeeded in a society that did not required.’
I think this is true, but I also believe as well that it is almost for this very reason – and this was what I argued in my London Review of Books article – that the time of psychoanalysis has now arrived.’
‘Radical point here – which is against vulgar critics who say, “Oh! Psychoanalysis is ahistorical!” – psychoanalysis is specific social practice, it could just disappear. But I think that only way psychoanalysis can survive, is if it understands itself as global theory. If it tries to present itself as just one therapeutic option amongst others, it is lost.’
The Curse of the Mad FoucauldianMr. Irrelevent, wearing as always his trademark “Retail Advisor” T-shirt, stands up once more, and now for the final time, the fanfare roaring behind him.
“Professor Zizek,” he begins, “I have only three thousand and ninety seven small points. First, you claimed that panopticism involved fantasy. This is a total imposition. Foucault’s theory of panopticism in fact states the subjects are subjectively subjectivated according to subjectitified processes of subjectoid subjectification…”
‘Well,’ Zizek responds, ‘I will respond – I think you have just provided brilliant example of what I mean by Dictatorship of Proleteriat, because you didn’t confront me with arguments, but rather only with positions. But anyway, I will tell you – one thing I really love about Bentham is that he is ultimate anal economist, everything must be made useful. Do you know, in one of his texts – god, I am so predictable – he actually devises theory where what he was going to do, was he was going to take urine…’

‘Slavoj,’ Costas cuts short the madness, ‘I have question – let us say that my friend here is a Foucauldian, that he sees the world through a Foucauldian prism, and that this is his fundamental premise. You have your own fundamental premises that inform your own work, and one of the reasons perhaps why some people are moved to reject your work, is because they do not agree with your premises. Now, my question is – would you agree that there is a limit to rationality, that we can argue rationally only up to a certain point, but then beyond that point, basically we can only fight, there can only be war, there can only be different premises fighting.’
‘Well,’ Zizek puffed thoughtfully on his pipe. ‘I think there is a way out of this, which is - there is one certain presupposition that underpins this idea of argument – this is, presupposition that you have a certain premise, and that I have another. Now, as a Stalinist, I do not agree with this.’
From (the ethics of) Desire to (the ethics of) Truth
Woman in the front row, ‘What is the difference between Lacan’s ethics of desire, and Badiou’s ethics of truth?’
‘It is good question. But my view is that Lacan’s ultimate position is not really ethics of desire at all - but rather ethics of drive.’
‘When you read Lacan, you notice that most of his formulas are like theoretical Reals, coming up again and again. But in contrast to this, the famous formula from Lacan ethics seminar, “Do not give up on your desire,” – in fact Lacan only mentions this formula twice, and then more or less abandons it.’

‘My point here is that - far from Seminar VII, “Ethics of Psychoanalysis” being pinnacle of Lacan - in fact it is one of his most problematic works. What it amounts to, it is basically Lacanian formulation of pure ethics of signifier, ethics of “pure” desire. But very soon after this, you see Lacan drop it. So in Seminar XI, you have him saying, “The desire of the analyst is not a pure desire.” And this statement is very important – basically, it marks shift to focus on ethics of drive.’
‘The major effect of this shift is shift in theoretical status of love. In ethics of desire, Lacan idea is basically that love is imaginary, it is narcissistic illusion. But then in later Lacan, love becomes real, become way of fundamental opening into reality.’
‘Badiou’s critique of Lacan is basically critique directed against Seminar VII ethics of desire, his big problem is that ethics of desire essentially result in a transgressive model of the real – because of idea that is everything is just illusion, but occasionally amazing holy transfixion happens that we are powerless in face of, and it is like, ‘Aaooh!!”’
Lacklau‘This brings us to Ernesto Laclau. Laclau move is basically, he transposes Lacan logic of desire into Gramscian idea of hegemony. So theory goes: there is primordial thing, primordial thing is always lost, what is left are just fragments – objets a, and then one of these then itself becomes substitute, stand-in for thing.’

‘Now, I appreciate this move. I think it is very clever. But nonetheless, I do not agree: my idea is that real logic in fact, is logic of drive, which is logic that states that the real object is not ‘lost object’ – but rather the very loss itself.’
‘To give you example, in Buddhism,’ Zizek sighs, ‘Always Buddhism – logic of drive would be Bodhisattva who is in Nirvana but wants to return to Samsara, but really for any reason, but just for sheer fuck of it, to screw things up.’
The dynamics of Capitalism, and the Realness thereof‘Again – you know, many people get very nervous when I insist that capitalism is Real. But they are missing crucial point here! In Lacanian idea of the Real, the crucial point is: the Real can be changed!’
‘This is because, what Real essentially amounts to is Real of situation – and situation can be changed! Except – and this is key point – only from within, by means of universal exception. Because – and now I am starting to sound like vulgar Derridean - “outside” has always-already been incorporated into inside, in form of supplement.’
From Ethics to Politics…and Back!Man three rows back, ‘Earlier in this series, you referred to the Russian doctor who insisted upon the truth..’
Zizek, ‘Zdanov Jewish doctors, yes…’
Man, ‘And you said that this represented a paradigm of the ethical act. But then later you said that the political goal was dictatorship of the proletariat. It seems a long way between these points. Could you help fill it in a little?’
‘I will explain – I believe in the idea of political suspension of the ethical. But only as an ethical act! The problem is that any direct ethicization of politics creates the worst disasters – because basically force of evil comes into play.'

'You see this in how West employs doctrine of Human rights in order to justify military interventions overseas. For example, shortly after invasion of Iraq, Tony Blair was asked questions in Parliament about difference between civilian casualties inflicted by terrorists, and civilian casualties inflicted by Western bombing. And he said that there was a difference, because the terrorists were trying to kill as many civilians as possible, whereas the West was trying to minimize civilian casualties. So you see the sophistry here – Blair is here invoking superior moral intentions of West as legitimate justification for West to murder civilians.’
IsraelMan on the left, ‘Professor Zizek, you’ve come out against the idea of academic boycott of Israel. I would just like to know what your precise position is – do you believe that the Israeli and the Palestinian sides are symmetrical?’
‘No, of course not.’
‘OK, but then what is your position – on the Wall, and so on.’
‘Well, my idea about Wall, which I have said before, is that fall of Berlin wall created proliferation of new walls, of which Israeli-Palestine wall – and solution to this, of course, is to destroy fundamental wall, which is class system.’
‘My problem with idea of Israel academic boycott, is I think it is playing with fire, idea of boycotting Jews – and I know it is not the same, that Israel is not Jews, and that many of supporters of academic boycott, Steven Jones and so on, and themselves Jews – but nonetheless, I still think it is very dangerous.’

‘The problem of how intellectuals should deal with power – classic example here being Giorgio Agamben refusing job in America because of US biometric tattooing program – shortly afterwards I remember having long telephone conversation with Alain Badiou, and he said - do you know, in France for years the French government has been using biometric processing for immigrants?”’
‘So Agamben action had a little bit of class privilege about it, you know, “Oh, now we intellectuals are affected; now it has gone too far.” And in fact, Agamben later came to regret what he did, feeling it did achieve desired effect, and so on – and point of this really is that ultimately matter of judgement, of choosing strategy carefully.’
‘Recently, I was invited to attend 2006 Jerusalem film festival. Now, I am not stupid, I know what the plan is - they invite me, and then I go, and then all of sudden I am booked in to do roundtable discussions, publicity and so on.’
‘This is what I said – I will agree to attend, but I will appear only at one place, screening of new Udi Aloni film, “Forgiveness” – which is kind of metaphysical fantasy of Palestinian victims of Israel, and Jewish victims of Holocaust, finding solidarity with each other in afterlife.’
Shall we hold hands?Man a couple rows back, ‘Professor Zizek, in your book on Deleuze, and elsewhere as well, you came out very strongly against the idea of nomadism – can you just explain. Why does this idea trouble you so much?’
‘My problem with nomadism, is I think there is something obscene about it, about the conflation it makes between refugees and yuppies – because you know, you get these radical academics in America, who say things like they think they can understand refugee experience, because you know, they as well travel around a lot of time. I mean…I mean you know I am myself a nomad; I am travelling all the time. Once a month I go to Argentina, North America is like a local flight for me. But I am upper-middle class man, I stay in nice places, sometimes I even travel business class. I don’t think this is same experience as refugees.’
‘My other problem with idea of nomadism – is that capitalism is already nomadic! You know, idea that there is no longer job security, but that this is good thing, because it means we can perpetually reinvent ourselves and so on…’
‘But Professor Zizek, there is another idea of nomadism – nomadism as simply this kind of radical unhomeliness.’
‘Ah yes, I think I see what you mean. Because, of course, great irony is Deleuze himself, he never went anyway, he just stayed in Paris. Something like radical nomadism, as simply like experience of being in the love-world.’ Zizek hears the words as he says them, ‘Oh my god...’
Pere Jouissance Has Left the Building
‘The question of the role of the intellectual – but who am I? I am like that Zapatista guy, I am nothing, and you all speak through me.’
‘I think that one of the interesting things about our present situation is the popularity of figures like Dawkins, Hawking, and so on – this is symptom, I think, of fact that world we live in today, it almost forces us all to be philosophers. Things like stem cell research, virtual reality, which involve basic questions of philosophy – what is life, what is reality, and so on.’
‘People say, “Oh, there is no longer anymore idea of public intellectual, but I am not sure – has the role of the intellectual ever really been greater than it is today? The fact is, that our current condition calls for intellectuals, and they are turning up everywhere – only not yet in the right place.’

[Thank you, and goodnight.]